Birth control and the Catholic perspective

[Rosie]

Me and Ruby have our own spaces in our bedroom so I guess I do got privacy.  A good thing about sharing a bedroom is when you have a bad dream and wake up there's someone else there for the bad guy to get first. 

[scarlette]

I wonder if Ruby knows you plan on sacrificing her when the boogie man comes. 
                                                                                                                                                

[Trudy]

I can't come up with one logical reason to not use birth control.  If parents aren't willing to use birth control, they should cease their sexual activities as soon as they have all the children they can financially and emotionally support.  If a parent has to rely on their children to provide childcare for the younger siblings or is forced to feed their children hot dogs and mac and cheese every night that parent is IMO guilty of child abuse.  We have children to take care of them and not to satisfy some need we have to be fruitful and to multiply. 

[Rosie]

You know sometimes a person can get pregnant not on purpose so then what should they do if that happens and there poor or something?  You know I was a oops and my mom and dad was never ever married but just drunk and having a one night stand until I come along and made them have to be friends.   I don't know but I don't think a oops should get aborted or nothing at all like that. My dad says to me I was unplanned but never unwanted.

[Tatiana]

Irresponsible but not child abuse. Who determines how much money and time someone has to have before they can have a baby?  What do we control next?  You know there are those who would say abort a baby if there is any birth defect and that would mean they would have thought you should have aborted your son.  I don't agree with you.  What about a family who has someone who lost a job and is on the dole?  Does it become child abuse because they can't financially support the children they have?

[scarlette]

I agree with Tatiana.  Your kind of thinking will lead to a world where poor people will be sterilized because they won't be worthy of having children.  
Imagine a world full of nothing but Donald Trump. 

[Jennifer]

I understand that reasoning but calling it child abuse is extreme. People would judge me as not being financially or emotionally equipped to have Holly but let me tell you , no little girl has ever been loved more. I work hard to become a better person for her. I'm not perfect but she makes me want to be better.

[Deleted]

This is one of those areas where I feel religious doctrine oversteps its proper role as a moral foundation for individuals and enters the realm of tyranny. If a couple chooses not to practice birth control due to their own convictions I can respect that. But to require the practice of all the faithful seems unreasonable. If you are against abortion, you should at least acknowledge that birth control is an effective means of reducing its frequency. Just my opinion.

[tyrell2808]

Aug 30, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5 @jamesgarcia said:

This is one of those areas where I feel religious doctrine oversteps its proper role as a moral foundation for individuals and enters the realm of tyranny. If a couple chooses not to practice birth control due to their own convictions I can respect that. But to require the practice of all the faithful seems unreasonable. If you are against abortion, you should at least acknowledge that birth control is an effective means of reducing its frequency. Just my opinion.

The Church isn't just some social experiment, it's the bride of Christ, who really is the Son of God, who really did live and died for our sins, who really did raise from the dead, and who now really is in Heaven with the Father. The Church is total, there is no "proper role as a moral foundation for individuals," the Church is prior to the individual and God is prior to the Church. 

[Rosie]

I am not Catholic and mostly I think the Catholic church is a lot like a cult. 

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Nov 13, 2022 13:43:15 GMT -5 tyrell2808 said:

Aug 30, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5 @jamesgarcia said:

This is one of those areas where I feel religious doctrine oversteps its proper role as a moral foundation for individuals and enters the realm of tyranny. If a couple chooses not to practice birth control due to their own convictions I can respect that. But to require the practice of all the faithful seems unreasonable. If you are against abortion, you should at least acknowledge that birth control is an effective means of reducing its frequency. Just my opinion.

The Church isn't just some social experiment, it's the bride of Christ, who really is the Son of God, who really did live and died for our sins, who really did raise from the dead, and who now really is in Heaven with the Father. The Church is total, there is no "proper role as a moral foundation for individuals," the Church is prior to the individual and God is prior to the Church. 

That’s your belief, not mine.

[scarlette]

Nov 13, 2022 13:43:15 GMT -5 tyrell2808 said:

Aug 30, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5 @jamesgarcia said:

This is one of those areas where I feel religious doctrine oversteps its proper role as a moral foundation for individuals and enters the realm of tyranny. If a couple chooses not to practice birth control due to their own convictions I can respect that. But to require the practice of all the faithful seems unreasonable. If you are against abortion, you should at least acknowledge that birth control is an effective means of reducing its frequency. Just my opinion.

The Church isn't just some social experiment, it's the bride of Christ, who really is the Son of God, who really did live and died for our sins, who really did raise from the dead, and who now really is in Heaven with the Father. The Church is total, there is no "proper role as a moral foundation for individuals," the Church is prior to the individual and God is prior to the Church. 

More window dressing.  Anyone can spout off catechism lessons.  Where's the meat to it.  How do YOU internalize it?  Why do YOU think birth control is wrong?  What do YOU think your responsibility is to the woman who is forced to give birth?
More importantly, how do you SHOW God's LOVE?  

[Libby]

Nov 13, 2022 13:43:15 GMT -5 tyrell2808 said:

Aug 30, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5 @jamesgarcia said:

This is one of those areas where I feel religious doctrine oversteps its proper role as a moral foundation for individuals and enters the realm of tyranny. If a couple chooses not to practice birth control due to their own convictions I can respect that. But to require the practice of all the faithful seems unreasonable. If you are against abortion, you should at least acknowledge that birth control is an effective means of reducing its frequency. Just my opinion.

The Church isn't just some social experiment, it's the bride of Christ, who really is the Son of God, who really did live and died for our sins, who really did raise from the dead, and who now really is in Heaven with the Father. The Church is total, there is no "proper role as a moral foundation for individuals," the Church is prior to the individual and God is prior to the Church. 

And you speak as if nothing has ever or could ever be challenged or changed within the church.  I remember a time when the church taught that unbaptised babes went to limbo and I remember when when girls weren't allowed in church without head coverings.  A time when Mass had to be said in Latin. The church can and does change.  It's fundamental beliefs remain the same.  I don't see the teachings around the Eucharist as ever changing but I do believe there will be a time when church will rethink it's views on birth control.  As birth control advances are made, I believe the church will eventually catch up with it.  It was fine for the church to say no birth control when families lived on farms and half your babes died in childhood but today most families live in cities and most children reach adulthood which means more families who are finding it nearly impossible to feed their young.  Do you really believe God wants women to spit out children just so they starve?  I don't believe abortion will ever be accepted in the church but birth control that doesn't abort a fertilised egg, that I believe will come.
The church is consistent in it's sacramental practices but it does change to accommodate science and advances.  It remains the same at the core but the fluff and whaffle changes.  

[Libby]

Just one more thought, church is not the building but the people who worship inside of the building. Don't be so quick to disregard them.

[quinn]

I think the time will come when the Catholic church will relax the birth control ban. Society has advanced beyond on the point of thinking sex is just for procreation, that it's a healthy activity so that scientific awareness will lead the church to relax the ban on birth control.